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Praise, Response and Support

>> Thursday, July 23, 2009

APOLOGIA is so exciting! Luke and I get emails every day, from people all across the globe. Sometimes we get questions or challenges from people who are part of the Watchtower, LDS church, atheist organizations, etc. But, we also get a bunch of emails from fellow believers from all over the place. We are so encouraged. People get a hold of us from the U.K., Australia, Africa... everywhere! We have people tell us that they have watched our Youtube videos and were inspired to start reaching the cults. Many people write to us and tell us that they are using the material they heard from our videos or something in our blog. Many times people rely on us for one-on-one help and will call us for help just before they meet with some Mormon missionaries or JW's. Praise God! We just received this one from the Philippines:

Hi Jeff,

I like the way you dialogue with the Jehovah's Witness guy. You are full of patience, grace, and love that comes from the Lord while sharing the truth with him. Continue doing what you both are doing and may the Lord expand your ministry by equipping the Christians to reach out the kingdom of the cults.



Well, Justyn thank you brother for your support.

I wanted you all to see an example of what we see everyday!


Andrew Tallman got back to me. He said he didn't receive my emails where I asked him to check out our blog and get back to me (I sent two to the same address he emailed me from). I definitely want to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure he's really busy and maybe he overlooked or missed it. He seemed interested in a dialogue. Hopefully we can look forward to some answers from him. Please pray for him. Ultimately our desire is that he would believe in the Biblical Gospel and publicly renounce what he has promoted. Stay tuned...


Have you ever considered giving through APOLOGIA? We are moving into a new-phase of ministry. In the last 6-months we have spoken to countless people from the cults, given out thousands of tracts, held public events to equip Christians as well as created direct relationships with the lost.

To be transparent...we need your support. Luke and I (along with our families)are in ministry full-time. We have VERY low overhead costs. But, we cannot continue to do what we do without your prayers and financial support. We want to thank you if you have given in the past and would be blessed if you would consider giving again or giving for the first-time. God is changing lives and bringing people to Himself. We are humbled to be a part of it. We need your help to keep doing it. Would you consider giving to support the work of bringing the Gospel to the lost?

We have a ministry goal. We would like to be able to raise 5,000 of support in the next 30-days. For ministry that is a pretty small budget. But, we can't make it without you. Please continue to pray for us and thank you so much for standing with us!

He is Glorious!

Jeff Durbin


Mr. Tallman has shortgospel

>> Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Mr. Tallman has not responded to my emails. However, he has done us a very great service. He has now admitted publicly to believing and promoting a gospel contrary to God's Gospel. You can find his admission here.

What is marvelously thought provoking is that Mr. Tallman claims that I "won" the debate yesterday by a small margin. This is not a game. These are weighty matters that cannot be broken down to a simple contest of my view vs. his. We are talking about which Gospel saves--not who is a better debater. Also, he claims that after our conversation at approximately 5:30 yesterday evening he was driven to study Scripture on this issue for the "next day or so". He now admits to being committed to a Gospel that goes like this:

1. Faith + Baptism = Salvation/Justification
*in other words we are not justified until after we are baptized.

He admitted with me on the show on Monday that he "used" to believe we are saved when we put our faith in Christ but, now he believes we must also be baptized before we receive salvation. So it is faith and then a work of obedience that saves--according to Andrew Tallman.

I will deal with his deadly gospel soon. I have to prepare for a funeral service. But, let me whet your appetite with a quote from an article by Hank Hanegraaff (Bible Answer Man)the president of the Christian Research Institute. Now, I know, Scripture Alone is our only infallible authority. But, I do think that it is peculiar that Hank's show is broadcast the hour before Andrew's. If you listen to Hank you will hear one Gospel and if you listen to Andrew you will hear another. Here is the quote:

The most critical mistake one can make with regard to baptism is to believe that it is necessary for salvation. Several aberrant or cultic movements, such as the International Churches of Christ (Boston movement), teach that belief is not suffi­cient for salvation — baptism is also required. In concert with other cultic groups, they distort passages such as Acts 2:38 to defend this deadly doctrine.

Acts 2:38 climaxes Peter’s powerful proclamation of the gospel on the day of Pentecost. Those impacted by his message cried out, “What shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

Groups that believe baptism is necessary for salvation mistakenly regard Peter’s words, “Repent and be baptized” as evidence that belief plus baptism results in salvation. Scripture, however, does not support this view.

First, the Book of Acts itself demonstrates that baptism is the sign of conversion, not the means of conversion. Acts 10:47, for example, describes believers who were indwelt by the Holy Spirit (and therefore saved — see Rom. 8:9) prior to being baptized.

Furthermore, the Bible as a whole clearly communicates that we are saved by faith and not by works (Eph. 2:8-9). As Paul pointed out in Romans, our righteous standing before God is “by faith from first to last” (Rom. 1:17). When the jailer asked the apostle Paul, “What must I do to be saved?” Paul responded, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:30-31).

Although baptism is not the means by which we are saved, it is the means by which we are set apart. By baptism, we testify that we are no longer our own — we have been bought by Christ’s blood and have been brought into the community of faith. This is the significance of Peters command in Acts 2:38. He was not telling them that they could not be saved without baptism. He was telling them that their genuine repentance, which by the grace of God accompanies salvation, would be evidenced by their baptism.

Mr. Tallman, what do you say about discussing this issue live on your show? You run a program that is on the same station as men like R.C. Sproul, Hank Hanegraaff, Dr. John Macarthur, Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Michael Youssef, Greg Laurie, Alistair Begg, etc... And yet, you have now publicly stated to believe a gospel that is in conflict with ALL of these men. Whom do I believe? If I listen at 4, I can be saved by grace through faith alone(like Abraham and the thief on the cross). If I tune in at 5, I can come by faith, confession and baptism which will then lead me to attain salvation. I wonder if Mr. Tallman also believes you can lose your salvation? Hmmmnnnnn.... Yes, Mr. Tallman this is no small matter (Galatians 1, 2 Cor. 11:4, 2 John 9). I am calling you to account Mr. Tallman. I am hopeful that you will see the truth of God regarding the Gospel and that you will publicly renounce your promotion of a false-gospel.

I would love a reply from you Andrew. God says:

but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence. 1 Peter 3:15

*I encourage all of my brothers and sisters in Christ to write or call the radio station and notify them of the confusion brought on by Mr. Tallman's gospel. God's Word says:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Romans 16:17
*note, this is in the glorious book where Paul taught a doctrine on justification that Andrew Tallman is publicly denying. It is the responsibility of God's people to refute those who contradict (Titus 1:9).

Jeff Durbin

--Here are the links for the statements of faith for a few of the men who share the radio waves with Andrew Tallman on 1360AM. None of them would agree with Mr. Tallman's view of the Gospel. All of them, preach one which is contrary to his.

Dr. John Macarthur--Here
Dr. R.C. Sproul--Here
Hank Hanegraaff--Here
Dr. Charles Stanley--Here
Greg Laurie--Here
Dr. Michael Youssef--Here
Alistair Begg--Here
Dr. James MacDonald--Here
Dr. J. Vernon McGee--Here
Dr. Paul Sheppard--Here


What is the Gospel Mr. Tallman?

>> Tuesday, July 21, 2009

I have listened to the "Bible Answer Man" (Hank Hanegraaff) for about as long as I have been a Christian. I love CRI! Walter Martin (founder of CRI)is one of my heroes. So for the last couple of years I have also listened to a show that is lined-up after Hank by a gentleman by the name of Andrew Tallman. I can't say that I LOVE his show but I have listened to some fun programs he has done and enjoyed them. And after you read this post, I think you would agree that it is ironic that Mr. Tallman's show follows Hank's, considering Hank's view on justification by faith alone.

A couple of weeks ago, Mr. Tallman had a gentleman on his program whose wife had passed away. It was very moving. But, the guest made a comment near the end of his conversation with Mr. Tallman that disturbed me. He said something to the effect that he wanted to live a "good" life so that he could get to heaven and be with his wife. Basically, he communicated the fact that he wanted to be a good person so he could get to heaven. Imagine my surprise when Mr. Tallman did nothing to correct his statement. I felt compelled to call in and ask that Mr. Tallman make a gentle correction just in case any unbeliever was listening and got the impression (from a "Christian" station)that salvation was dependent upon us being "good" people or that righteousness was something that we "attain" through good-works or obedience to the law. So I called in. The gentleman screening the calls asked me why I was calling in. I asked him if Mr. Tallman would be making a gentle correction to the man's statement. He put me on hold to ask Mr. Tallman. About a minute later the gentleman came on and told me "no, we're not going to do that". He asked me if I understood why. I told him no. I told him that they had a responsibility as a CHRISTIAN radio program to make a correction when someone promotes a false-Gospel on their program. He told me they were not going to do it. I was severely disappointed, went home told my wife and committed (so I thought) not to listen or support Mr. Tallman's show again.

Well, I wish the story stopped there. Today I left the rehab center I also pastor at, hopped in my Mustang and caught the end of Hank's program. I had all but forgotten my commitment to not listen to Mr. Tallman's show when I heard the subject that would be under discussion-- Baptism. Mr. Tallman wanted to discuss whether or not water baptism was essential for salvation. At first, he didn't seem to be taking a position necessarily (which bothered me). And, I wouldn't have had any desire to call-in until Mr. Tallman stated that the problem with this issue is that the Bible is not clear on this issue. Not clear?! He stressed the fact that God had not really spelled out clearly enough whether baptism is something someone must do to be saved. Mr. Tallman seemed to be stating that God's revelation just was incomplete on this issue or wasn't adequate to answer our questions with regard to baptism. I felt the need (considering Mr. Tallman's history) to call-in and at least defend the fact that God was clear about how someone is justified, credited righteousness, forgiven or saved. Mr. Tallman immediately got aggressive--more aggressive than I have ever heard him in all my time listening. He stated that he "used" to believe that salvation was simply by faith and was applied to you when you believe but that now he leans towards water baptism as an essential element of what must take place in-order to be right with God. He said that he wasn't sure whether or not justification took place when you "believe" or when you are baptized. At one point, he even brought in the issue of tithing and whether I believed a person was right with God or going to heaven if they didn't tithe properly.

So my questions... What is the Gospel Mr. Tallman? How and when is someone justified and credited righteousness in God's sight? Is righteousness credited when I believe? Or is it after I "do" something (baptism)? Do I enter the water justified or do I leave the water justified? When I stand before God, is it Christ's righteousness that has been applied to my account that gives me peace with Him; or do I stand with my personal righteousness that comes from obedience to some law? When do I receive eternal life? Is it when I hear and believe or after I hear, believe and am baptized? What do you say about Jesus' parable about the Pharisee and the publican? What took place before he "went home justified"? Did the thief on the cross go to heaven Mr. Tallman? What must I do to be saved?!

Sadly, when Mr. Tallman returned from his break (and I was unable to respond) he felt the need to rattle off a couple of proof-texts for his position: that we are saved by faith and baptism. I would be more than happy to discuss this issue and those texts in detail on his show live--So as to not give his listeners the impression that he has done the proper work and exegesis in interpreting those texts. Also, I was told by a friend who was listening that Mr. Tallman did a little backtracking as time went on and later was communicating that we are saved by faith alone. I can't seem to find any audio archives for his show online. But, if it is true, it certainly makes sense. Here you have a man who professes to be a Christian and operate a Christian radio show who simply doesn't want to disenfranchise his Christian audience. Here is an excellent question:

Mr. Tallman, if you get the Gospel wrong, does your show qualify as a Christian radio program?

So yes, this is a request for Mr. Tallman to allow me back on his radio program to discuss with him the issue of justification/salvation. What do you say Andrew? Apologia Christian Ministries would be more than happy to discuss this issue with you publicly. Will you defend your view on the Gospel publicly?

Andrew, we must not divide on non-essentials. Unity is key (John 17). The Gospel is an essential. If someones disagrees with Scripture on the Gospel and how someone is justified in God's sight-- they are not classified as a Christian (Galatians 1:6-9, 2 John 9)nor should they claim to be running a Christian radio program. This issue (justification by faith alone)is what differentiates the Gospel from all other man-made religion. It is what separates Christ's Kingdom from the Kingdom of the cults. I wholeheartedly disagree with you Andrew. God is clear in His revelation about HOW I am made right with Him and WHEN it takes place. God says:

and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:15-17

Contrary to your claim that God's Word is not clear to answer our questions about baptism, Scripture teaches that it is able to give us the wisdom that leads to salvation (that seems clear to me), and is profitable for teaching (baptism included), correction (certainly on issues related to baptism) & training in righteousness (even about baptism).

Andrew, I worry about you. If you were unwilling to correct a man, who on your program just a few weeks ago said that we get to heaven by being good people and today you argued that we are not saved by faith alone (that is what you said to me)--what is a Christian supposed to think about what you believe about the Gospel? What kind of confusion does your show create when your show follows a man (Hank Hanegraaff)who believes, teaches and defends a different Gospel than you? Andrew, the most unloving thing to do would be to leave someone in error. Please take my rebuke to you as a gentle but very serious one.

"Controversy for the sake of controversy is sin. Controversy for the sake of the truth, is a divine command." Dr. Walter Martin

Jeff Durbin


Charlie Kingston entered the joy of the Lord

>> Tuesday, July 14, 2009

This morning, my friend and brother in Christ (Charlie Kingston) layed aside his earthly dwelling and departed to be in the presence of the One Who bought him with a price. Here is a video of Charlie giving his personal testimony to the grace of God and His glorious Gospel. Please pray for the Kingston family as they are carried through this trial by our precious Savior.

May Charlie's departure awaken us to our need for the Gospel of God's Grace through Jesus Christ alone by faith alone!


Quick post!

>> Thursday, July 9, 2009

Recently, Luke and I went to Ojai, California where we were able to evangelize some LDS. It was a wonderful opportunity. One of them (April) gave here life to Christ and the other two are still praying about what we talked about. Please lift them up!

We baptized 5-people in the Pacific Ocean-- Including April (the former Mormon). Here is a photo of one of the most amazing little disciples of Christ I have ever met (Ethan Czuppa).


The poverty of the Atheistic Worldview

>> Wednesday, July 1, 2009

I have been working on a new book critiquing the atheist/materialist worldview. Lord willing I'll be done by the end of this year. It is difficult considering the fact that ministry keeps me pretty busy from morning to evening. My hope is to produce a work that will function as a refutation of the atheistic worldview as well as an apologetic manual for dealing with the atheistic worldview and presenting the Gospel of God's grace. God says, "the fool says in his heart there is no God" (Psalm 14:1). My intention in writing this work is to demonstrate (from a Biblical perspective) that the atheist really does 'know' God but that he/she is suppressing the truth about Him. The ultimate goal is to dig into the unbeliever's worldview and show that "something is wrong" with their relationship with God and that they can repent and believe in Christ to receive forgiveness and eternal life.

Here is a quick excerpt (please forgive any typos :]. Also, all of the references are in the actual work. ):

What one believes about man and his place in it will have serious and lasting consequences on how they think personally and how they affect others during their time in this life. This is no trivial matter. Any thinking person needs only to take a quick glance at history to agree with me on this point. Christian or not, the questions related to the existence of God and the Atheistic vs. Christian Theistic worldview are devastatingly important. For, if as atheists claim, we are simply matter-in-motion and all of life really only devolves to a simply naturalistic, materialist explanation of the universe then ultimately… nothing matters. I’m not simply speaking about personal significance in this world. I’m talking about science, reason, logic, explanations, debate, language, education, love, beauty, family, morality--- you name it… it doesn’t matter.

Mushy mindedness

Not only does atheism make all of life meaningless, but nothing in life can be coherent or intelligible. What I am describing is the materialist worldview that leaves us with no foundation for reason, logic, science, the uniformity in nature or morality. If Atheism were true, why should we be logical or moral? It will be argued by the atheist, “Because we want to be good to each other and logical in our thinking.” And to this I say “why should I be consistent or logical in my thinking or be concerned with being good to anyone?” To which the Atheist declares, “Because we want to be honest and work towards a greater good that will lead to the most happiness for others.” But you see the atheist is being entirely arbitrary and inconsistent. If his claim were true that humans amount to suitcases of biological goo randomly moving throughout the universe; I would have no foundation, need, reason nor moral requirement to be consistent, logical, honest or in any way ethical. In point of fact, why should I care at all about the happiness of others? What if this bag of biological goo gets his ultimate happiness from injuring and exploiting others? What if I develop a civilization that values hurting others and thinking irrationally? If atheism were true, atheists would be totally inconsistent to be morally indignant or upset with me for doing so. Hitler, Stalin and the terrorists who crashed their planes into buildings on 9/11 were very happy to do what they did. Atheism is intellectual poverty.

Sadly, atheists are seemingly quite content with a worldview that is internally inconsistent and unintelligible. Apart from the Christian worldview we cannot make sense out of our everyday experience. If the atheistic/materialist worldview were in fact true and reality amounts to nothing more than matter-in-motion then what you are doing right now reading this book wouldn’t make any sense at all. As a matter of fact your reading this work at this very moment presupposes a Christian theistic worldview. All of language, thought, science and debate rest on the foundation of induction. Put more popularly… the uniformity in nature. In other words all of us every day assume that the future will be like the past; and rightly so. You can’t live in this world otherwise. You can’t get out of bed, brush your teeth, listen to the news, drive your car or do anything at all without assuming the uniformity in nature. More simply that future events will be like past events. Yet the atheist tells us that "The Cosmos is all there is, or was, or ever will be." -that all of life is in the end simply matter moving throughout space. Matter in motion is an appropriate way to put it. There shouldn’t be any reason to look for uniformity in nature, apply scientific principles or appeal to immaterial and universal abstract entities such as the laws of logic. So in the end the atheist affirms one thing with his lips and lives his life according to different principles every step he takes.

The word hypocrite comes to us from the Greek word hupocrites. This word had its origin in the world of ancient theater. In the ancient theater the actors didn’t wear makeup, they wore masks. For each character they portrayed they placed a different mask upon their face. While on the inside they truly were someone else they placed a facade upon their face pretending to be someone they truly were not. Atheist’s live every day according to certain presuppositions and principles. They have as it were a Christian theistic approach to the world and daily life. They live as though they are practical theists every day with every breath and at every turn. They look to the uniformity in nature to function as well as appeal to universal and invariant laws. Atheists listen to professional musicians and applaud at the majesty and beauty of their skill. They kiss their wives and hug their kids as if there were such a thing as the reality of love. Yet, when engaging the world on the subject of God they hide themselves behind the profession of atheism and thus don the mask of hypocrisy and play the role of the unbeliever. Atheism is woeful and deplorable hypocrisy.

The Christian claim is that we live in a world that is governed by a sovereign, all-knowing God who has ordered it in such a way that he carries everything along to its intended purpose . Christians can make sense out of what we are doing. We have a rational basis and explanation for applying scientific method, utilizing the laws of logic and for the assumption that nature is uniform. Because we believe in a sovereign God who governs this universe and sees to it that it is uniform. Even your reading this work is an exercise in the uniformity of nature. You are assuming that I will attempt to utilize and adhere to the laws of logic, that I will make my arguments coherent and that I will attempt to be consistent, honest and fair. From a Christian perspective to be illogical, unreasonable or dishonest would be a sham. Our thinking is to reflect God’s thinking and to engage in contradiction is in fact to lie. Christians can make sense out of science, reason, logic, morality and the like because we have a view of life that satisfies the preconditions of intelligibility of all these issues. In other words, we have a rational foundation for all that we think and do every day--- atheists do not. Christian apologist and philosopher Dr. Cornelius Van Til brilliantly likened the unbeliever to the small child who reaches up to smack his father in the face yet is dependent upon his father to hold him upon his lap to do so. Atheists have hijacked the Christian view of life and reality in order to live and function daily. And yet sadly, atheists spew forth constant denials about the reality of and existence of their creator. It will be demonstrated that atheists are in the end, willfully and actively suppressing the truth about God.

Only the Christian theistic worldview can answer the simplest and most complex questions about reality, knowledge or how we should live our lives in relation to one another. Put more philosophically the questions that relate to metaphysics, epistemology and ethics. I will argue in this work that apart from the Christian worldview you cannot prove anything. Now obviously atheists prove things. They try to be logical, utilize scientific method and appeal to morality. However, their worldview cannot make intelligible use of these things and in the end the atheist is only borrowing from the Christian worldview all the while arguing against it. Atheists are crypto-theists. In the depth of their being, they know the God Christians are speaking about.

Atheism is a cancer

Think for a moment about the utter foolishness of unbelief and how unworkable atheism is as a worldview. Atheists are always reveling in the many supposed benefits of their unbelief. They speak about the freedom, superior morality and overall betterment of life and mankind connected to their view. Yet, how many hospitals have atheists built? How many orphanages or homeless shelters? How many atheistic institutions have been created in the name of atheism’s beliefs and ideals to feed the poor, clothe the naked or heal the sick? How many of Richard Dawkins devotees have sacrificed their lives to make sure the hungry eat, widows are cared for, children have homes or clean water, rent is paid or the sick are healed? I am not suggesting in any way that atheists are the worst people in the world-- by no means. But, how many hospitals have been erected in the name of Charles Darwin? Atheism as a view of the world is a cancer on mankind and is shamefully unworkable. It takes everything and gives back nothing. To quote the late Christian apologist Dr. Walter Martin, “Atheists are the gadflies of civilization.”

Famous atheist Dr. Richard Dawkins claims that Christians are happy with not knowing. Or that they are satisfied with being blind-faith religionists. This is only a demonstration of his total failure to do adequate work in his critique of Christians or to be fair and honest in his arguments. Of course his thoughts do sell a lot of books and do appeal mightily to the modern anti-Christian bias--- about that there can be no question. Many thinking readers’ dissatisfaction with his work is that he wrestles with a false-characterization of Christians and doesn’t really accurately portray what Christians think or argue and have promoted historically.

Christians rest on a foundation of objective truth. Christians are quite capable and comfortable answering the tough questions and have a long history of doing so. We are in fact commanded to give a reasoned defense of what we believe. As a matter of fact, reason and truth are foundational to all Christians think and do. It’s in our blood. We believe in a God who has revealed Himself to His creation both supernaturally and ultimately personally in the person and work of Jesus Christ. This God says “Come let us reason together”. The Christian faith is based on the objective facts of God’s existence, Personal revelation and all of the implications that come from those truths. Jesus entered into the world and claimed that He was in fact “the Truth”. The early Christian claim was not “let go of your mind and follow Jesus” but is summed up best by the Apostle Peter who said, “we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty”. The Christian claim is and always has been based on objective and historical truth. God is not the author of confusion.

The dark path of atheism

If we take a brief look at some of the underlying implications of the atheistic view of the world what do we get? We have to believe that there is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning or purpose in life, no reason to assume the uniformity of nature (thus making all scientific inquiry meaningless), no real beauty, no real love, no human dignity and no reason to believe in objective truth. Atheism forces us to belief in the absurd. Atheists believe that life comes from non-life, that non-intelligent matter becomes intelligent, that non-moral matter suddenly starts trying to be nice to each other and is expected to do so on a regular basis, that inorganic matter becomes organic matter and that simple biological components of matter magically become more complex--- Oh, how marvelously miraculous! And remember atheists claim to not believe in miracles. It takes an enormous amount of blind-faith to buy into the atheistic worldview and we must remember that atheists aren’t supposed to have any.
The end result of the atheistic worldview can be summed up very succinctly in a public statement by evolutionist Dr. Will Provine, professor of the history of biology at Cornell University. While describing the evolutionary worldview’s implications he stated:

“No gods, no life after death, no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning in life and no human free-will. We are all deeply connected to an evolutionary perspective. You are here today and gone tomorrow and that is all there is to it…It starts by giving up an active deity. Then it gives up the hope that there is any life after death. When you give those two up the rest of it follows fairly easily. You give up the hope that there is an imminent morality. And finally there’s no human free-will. If you believe in evolution you can’t hope for there being any free-will. There’s no hope whatsoever of there being any deep meaning in human life. We live, we die and we’re gone! We’re absolutely gone when we die!”

Thankfully some atheists are thinking clearly about the lasting results and implications of their worldviews. This statement from Dr. Provine is chilling indeed and gives us a small glimpse into the inevitably dark nature of Atheism.